PT-2021-000393 - [2025] EWHC 2749 (Ch)
Chancery Division of the High Court

PT-2021-000393 - [2025] EWHC 2749 (Ch)

Fecha: 23-Oct-2025

The offers

The offers

68.

On the facts of this case I do not consider that any offer of payment was made. There was one tender, made in May 2021, that resulted in part-payment of the Loan and does not give rise to any issue in dispute. Everyone now accepts that LCL has given proper credit for that payment. There was what seems to me obviously a contractual offer on 9 November, when Gunnercooke wrote to HCA with what was described as a “formal offer” and attached a settlement agreement signed on behalf of LCL. That offer was not accepted. Mr Wheeler conceded that the first communication on which the Claimants rely, from 16 March 2021, was a contractual offer and that the other communications from March and April 2021 were “probably” also contractual offers. For my part I would think many solicitors would be somewhat surprised by that; typically, the emails exchanges and discussions work out the commercial terms of the deal but it would only be finally agreed in a more formal settlement agreement. In a sense that is irrelevant, however, in that even if they were contractual offers they would be different to, and fall short of, being offers of payment.

69.

With a view to avoiding repetition, so far as that is possible, a lot of these communications involved common themes, and it is worth saying what those are at the outset.

i)

None of the communications upon which the Claimants now rely were tenders. None involved the payment of immediately available funds and so none complied with the requirement of clause 9 to that effect. They all sought to impose conditions to payment that were not limited to the release of security. At no time were the funds set aside, and indeed in some cases there were not even funds (or binding offers of funds from another lender) in place.

ii)

The fact that funds were not immediately available (and in one case, the 23 March 2020 letter, were not at that stage available at all) also means this was in no sense an offer of payment under the terms of the Facility Letter. It was an attempt to make payment on other terms. That was, at most, a contractual offer.

iii)

This correspondence was not before me at the trial because elements of it were considered by the parties, in my view rightly, to be without prejudice. The issue with that is not the question of its admissibility but, rather, what the application of the privilege must mean about the substance of the communication. Simply as a matter of general principle, correspondence is without prejudice when it is an attempt to settle contested issues; even where it includes payment under the parties’ agreement that payment is conditional on settlement of other points which are disputed. An offer of payment is an unconditional offer to pay a sum due under an existing agreement between the parties. Those are different things. The issue is especially acute here because in principle one would typically expect that an offer of payment would amount to an acknowledgment for the purposes of section 29(5) of the Limitation Act 1980. Such an acknowledgment would normally not be covered by the without prejudice privilege (Bradford & Bingley plc v Rashid [2006] UKHL 37), yet without prejudice privilege is said to apply to certain of the communications as a whole. That suggests that whatever was said about payment was not an acknowledgment of the debt. I was not taken to that decision, or to the later decision of the House of Lords in Ofulue v Bossert [2009] UKHL 16 so it is not clear to me how the Claimants address either the general issue that an offer to pay an undisputed amount is in principle different to an offer conditional upon settlement of wider issues or to the specific point on acknowledgement.

iv)

Perhaps in recognition of this Mr Cowen accepted, as I think he inevitably had to, that almost all the offers made by his clients covered things other than just payment. His primary position was that the offers were severable and that LCL could have accepted only the offer of payment. As I have noted, that question depends on an objective reading of the individual communications, and in principle Mr Cowen accepted that, and so the detail needs to be addressed on a case-by-case basis. In my view it is a general issue with all of the communications proposing payment alongside other things that the language, objectively assessed, is offering a package deal, not alternatives that can be individually accepted.

v)

A variation on this argument was that the offers contained both an offer to pay what was contractually due and an offer to do something more, generally in respect of the default interest that had been charged since September 2020 but which I found, in my First Judgment, was not properly due from that date due to the knowledge of Mr Stylianides (and through him, LCL) that the Housseins had not moved out of 71 Hamilton Road at the time of the inspection in July 2020. Mr Cowen expressly disavowed any reliance on dishonesty, but asked, rhetorically, why should LCL be put in a better position by pursuing a claim which it (as a corporate entity) knew had no basis. In response I put a (non-rhetorical) question to Mr Cowen. Assume a company has a claim that its lawyers advise can be pleaded without breaching professional obligations but which is, in material respects, speculative, weak or thin such that it would not properly survive strike-out and would expose the client to a claim for indemnity costs. If the other side, nonetheless, settled such a claim, would the settlement fail for want of consideration? Mr Cowen did not directly address the point, but it seems to me that the settlement would not so fail because even a very weak claim has value. That being the case, the simple answer to Mr Cowen’s point is that LCL was entitled to ask for more than the debt that was due to it under the Facility Letter because it was giving up more than a simple release of that debt. Had dishonesty been asserted (which, in turn, would necessarily have involved it being pleaded) and established the matter might have been different because dishonesty gives rise to issues of public policy. Corporate knowledge, which is what is asserted here, does not.

vi)

Failing that, Mr Cowen submitted, the obligation was to accept the offers as a whole; to the extent that there were outstanding points for further discussion they were not so significant as to result in an agreement to agree. The problem there is that the offer of payment ceases to be an unconditional offer of payment, or an offer conditional only on release of security, and becomes something much more ambitious in its scope. The borrower is no longer seeking merely to discharge its debt, but is also seeking some additional advantage to which it was not previously entitled. It becomes a contractual offer, and it is trite law that the offeree is at liberty to reject a contractual offer.

vii)

Taking the Claimants’ case at its highest and assuming, for the sake of argument, that the communications contained a severable offer of payment, LCL did, on at least one occasion, agree to those aspects of the “offers” in unconditional terms, yet no money ever followed. On the contrary, HCA responded with different proposals. On such facts it is hard to see how LCL is in breach of some obligation to accept when, objectively assessed, it did so, or to understand any other reason why LCL should be deprived of any right it had to charge interest.

viii)

The Claimants have been frank in formulating their attacks on LCL, and LCL is entitled to its vindication in similarly clear terms. In my view these communications do not demonstrate a borrower seeking to repay a sum due who is being thwarted by an obdurate and opportunistic lender. The opposite is the case. LCL engaged with the negotiations and often responded with counter-offers, many of which were either clarifications or attempts to inject certainty into vague and highly contingent proposals. There is nothing to be criticised in any of that. By contrast, throughout this process the Claimants have cavilled, prevaricated, temporised and delayed often with a view to improving their outcome. Most obviously, since my First Judgment it has been clear that the Claimants would have to repay the outstanding balance of the Loan. Rather than doing so, they have put forward multiple lines seeking to justify why they should not have to. That aspect of my First Judgment was not appealed and so is final. They have sought to improve their position on settlement and have retained the capital due to LCL as part of that. A party is entitled to adopt such a strategy in a negotiation, but they expose themselves to the risk of interest accruing where, as here, it fails.

70.

Turning to the details of what are said by the Claimants to be the offers of payment, on 16 March 2021 Mr Amin, of HCA, wrote to Ms Swainson, of Gunnercooke, offering:

1.

£1.2 million by the middle of April 2021;

2.

A further £650,000, again by the middle of April 2021;

3.

In return, my client would expect a discharge of all the securities (including for the avoidance of doubt, 71 Hamilton Rd) in favour of LCL and a concessionary default interest rate to be agreed between the parties which my client will pay.

4.

In the meantime, neither your client nor the Receivers will take any steps to dispose of any of the properties the subject of securities in favour of your client.

71.

Self-evidently that is neither a tender of payment nor an offer of payment under the terms of the Facility Letter because the funds are not immediately available. Nor do I accept this was a freestanding offer of payment at some point in the future because it is conditional on settling the default interest dispute; I struggle to see how, objectively, one can read the “In return” language in point 3 in any other way.

72.

This email must also be read in the context of the message to which it responds, an email from Ms Swainson to Mr Amin sent 24 minutes before. This states, in relevant part:

Is it correct to say that 199, 201 and 203 Downhills Way will be refinanced (for at least £1,200,000) and a lump sum of £650,000 made available for payment to [LCL] by close of business on Wednesday 14 April 2021?

I am instructed that should the refinancing proceed at a satisfactory pace, then [LCL] may be willing to consider its position with regards [sic] default interest at the point the refinancing is to complete.

73.

Mr Amin was responding to that request for clarification and, like Ms Swainson, saw this as part of a package deal that would address both repayment of sums due and settle the default interest question.

74.

The next communication relied on is described in the Defence to Counterclaim as an open offer made on 23 March 2021. This is the letter to which I have already made some reference. The letter to which I was referred as evidencing this offer in fact stated “our clients’ proposal will be set out in open correspondence as follows”. I did not see that open offer, although presumably it was in substantially identical terms. These were (emphasis added):

Nevertheless, in the interests of narrowing the issues in accordance with the overriding objective, our clients’ proposal will be set out in open correspondence as follows:

1.

The loan of £1.2 million will be secured over three properties (199, 201 and 203 Downhills Way). LCL will be required to release its charges over those properties in order to receive the funds.

2.

A further loan of £650,000 will be made but a third-party charge over 71 Hamilton Road is required, so LCL will also be required to release its charge over that property.

3.

Once the £1.85 million has been paid to LCL the only outstanding issue will be the issue of the Receivers’ costs and the default interest claimed by LCL. These are disputed sums. The complaints made by our clients have been canvassed in previous correspondence. The net effect will be that our clients would be paying the redemption amount almost 6 months early. In addition, the 2 remaining buy to let properties valued in excess of £1.1 million and in respect of which you have seen mortgage offers of £800,000 will be retained by your client upon the terms specified below.

4.

Our clients’ proposal in regard to the 2 remaining buy to let properties is as follows:

[There followed a suggestion for a litigation procedure to resolve the default interest issue, the details of which are not relevant.] …

If LCL is not prepared to agree to the above proposal, our clients will be obliged to take pre-emptive steps to prevent LCL/Receivers from incurring further unnecessary costs and attempting to dispose of the buy to let properties.

75.

A lack of clarity arises because the whole of points 1-4 and, separately, just point 4 are both described as the Claimants’ proposal, and the concluding quoted paragraph refers to LCL agreeing to “the above proposal” without apparently seeing the ambiguity. On balance it seems to me that it must mean the whole of points 1-4. It is seen as an alternative to the Claimants taking “pre-emptive steps” to protect all of the Downhills Way Properties and the point 4 proposal relates only to two of them. That would also seem to me the more commercially sensible reading; it makes more sense if the Claimants were trying to settle everything, not just the mechanism for resolving the default interest point.

76.

Ultimately that is academic; what matters for the Claimants’ current case is whether points 1 and 2 formed a free-standing proposal. Nothing in the language supports that. On the contrary, the opening language suggests that what followed was intended to form a single proposal. Moreover, for the Claimants to be right that this was an offer of £1.85 million one has to understand that Mr Amin’s references to “our clients’ proposal” and “the above proposal” permit 1 and 2 to be severed from 3 and 4, but do not permit for 1 to be severed from 2. Otherwise this would not be a single offer of £1.85 million but, rather, separate offers (presumably capable of separate acceptance) of £1.2 million and £650,000. No words are identified that might convey that somewhat complex structuring whereby 1 and 2 are linked to one another but not to any other points.

77.

The exchange that follows is also somewhat notable. The following day, Ms Swainson responded, stating: “It is noted and understood that £1.2m will be secured over 199, 201 and 203 Downhills Way and that LCL will release its security over those properties.” I recognise that “understood” is not sufficiently clear to amount to acceptance, but at the same time there was no push-back on point 1; on the contrary, Ms Swainson recognised that LCL would need to release its security on the three properties in question. In respect of point 2 she asked to see the offer letter in relation to the £650,000 bridging loan.

78.

Mr Amin responded on 25 March. In respect of point 1 all that he said was, “Noted.” On the Claimants’ current case that is an odd response. Accepting that Ms Swainson’s reply had been ambiguous, had Mr Amin intended to make a free-standing offer one would expect some request for clarification – do we have a deal on that point or not?

79.

On Ms Swainson’s second point – sight of the offer letter – HCA stated their understanding that this was being finalised and would be available shortly. Their understanding apparently changed overnight, since they wrote on 26 March enclosing a term sheet from Overture Capital and noting: “Our clients do not wish to incur unnecessary and abortive legal expense in dealing with compliance with OCL’s requirements if as we suspect, your client will simply let matters drag on (for the purpose [sic] which we do not understand).

80.

There was some disagreement as to how great a hurdle it was to move from the term sheet to a final loan. Mr Cowen’s submission was that all that was left were the formalities. Mr Wheeler submitted that key details remained to be decided. On balance I agree with Mr Wheeler’s submission. The security required included a personal guarantee from Houssein Houssein, who had never previously been personally liable in respect of any of the debt. All of the documents had to be translated into Turkish for the benefit of Mrs Houssein, suggesting she had not at that stage seen them in a form that she understood. She would then have to agree to the loan agreement (as a director of CEK), a personal guarantee and a charge over 71 Hamilton Road. There remained considerable uncertainty.

81.

Again, I do not say these are factors relevant to the interpretation of the earlier proposals; those must be assessed objectively by reference to the materials available at the time. They are, though, relevant on two levels. First, the Claimants’ case is that their “offer” was wrongfully rejected. But Ms Swainson did not reject it; she sought more details about it. Ultimately those details showed that part of the offer was not backed by any funds, let alone immediately available funds. Even so, the discussions continued.

82.

Secondly, these communications that come after the 23 March offer but before subsequent offers do inform how LCL was entitled to understand, and so respond to, other offers that came later. The Claimants had offered payment when what they meant was that they would pay if they could secure financing. That would, in my view, fall some considerable way short of what could properly be termed an offer of payment. Put at its highest it could only ever be a conditional offer of payment at some time in the future, should funds become available. LCL was entitled to want more certainty than that under the terms of the Facility Letter.

83.

The next communication on which the Claimants rely is an exchange on 30 March 2021, evidenced by a letter the following day from HCA to LCL’s solicitors referencing a conversation between Mr Murad and Ms Swainson in which “we canvassed whether the £350,000 requested by LCL could be reduced to £150,000 which would be payable immediately”.

84.

As before, it is important to put things in their context. On 30 March, Gunnercooke wrote to HCA with a proposal for settling the outstanding issues. This included payment by the Claimants to LCL by 14 April 2021 of £1.85 million in exchange for a release of LCL’s security over 199, 201 and 203 Downhills Way and 71 Hamilton Road and payment of £350,000 to settle the default interest issue. There then obviously followed a telephone call in which a lower figure of £150,000 was “canvassed” and subsequently rejected by Gunnercooke.

85.

This, it seems to me, falls well short of an offer of anything. First, the meaning of the verb “to canvas” in this context is to discuss or debate, not to offer. Secondly, it is in my experience quite common in settlement negotiations for solicitors to explore the scope of the possible even without instructions – “If my client were minded to suggest X, how do you think your client might see that?” That is consistent with canvassing (or floating or mooting); it is well understood that it is part of the process of discussions rather than an attempt to conclude them. Thirdly, all of the prior exchanges had been in writing. It would be unusual then to switch to making a formal offer orally, especially given that this was a discussion between lawyers rather than between principals. Fourthly, it is wholly inconsistent with the idea that the question of payment of the £1.85 million was severable from the other elements of the dispute. Gunnercooke proposed such a payment in their 30 March letter, so on the Claimants’ current case they could simply have accepted that. Instead, in their response on 31 March HCA stated: “In principle we have instructions to negotiate a sensible settlement and your offer goes a long way towards meeting our clients’ requirements.” It was seen, rightly in my view, as a composite offer, a package deal, with the objective of both parties being to resolve the whole dispute. Nothing was agreed until everything was agreed.

86.

The negotiations rumbled on, and by 7 April HCA made further “proposals” which were “in the interests of resolving matters without recourse to legal proceeding”. The “proposals” were:

4.1

Our clients will procure completion of the 3 buy to let re-mortgages and the bridging finance. …completion is now unlikely to take place by 14 April 2021. We understand that our clients should be able to make payments of £1.85 million by 21 April 2021.

4.2

Upon receipt of the funds referred to in paragraph 4.1 above, your clients will provide executed discharges in respect of the 3 buy to let properties and 71 Hamilton Road.

4.3

Your clients will take immediate steps to discharge the receiverships in respect of all of the Properties and your clients will undertake not to enforce their security (including for the avoidance of doubt appoint [sic] any receivers) in respect of the remaining 2 buy to let properties pending either the grant of probate and completion of the refinance of those 2 properties and/or 9 August 2021 (whichever is later).

4.4

Mr Ali Houssein’s probate will be available in the near future (potentially by July 2021). On receipt of the probate, Mrs Houssein will complete the refinancing of those 2 properties as quickly as possible and pay LCL with [sic] the sum of £350,000 in return for the executed discharges, subject to the lenders of the 2 buy to let properties agreeing to extend their mortgage offers. Compliance by Mrs Houssein of this obligation is conditional upon Mrs Houssein receiving independent financial advice from an adviser who can communicate in the Turkish language, which is proving to be difficult due to the pandemic and her vulnerability.

87.

Ms Swainson responded later that day:

4.1

It is agreeable for the £1.85m to be paid to LCL on 21 April 2021.

4.2

It is agreed DS1s will be provided in respect of the three Downhills Way properties to be refinanced and 71 Hamilton Road upon receipt of the £1.85m on or before 21 April 2021.

4.3

LCL is agreeable to the receivers standing down over the two remaining Downhills Way properties upon receipt of the £1.85m detailed in 4.1 but only on the basis that if another default occurs or the final sum of £350,000 is not paid by 9 August 2021 it is entitled to enforce its security and recover the full outstanding debt due to it.

4.4

Payment of the discounted outstanding debt of £350,000 must be paid on or before 9 August 2021. [LCL] is not willing to make that payment conditional upon advice being received by Mrs Houssein or mortgage offers being extended. Mrs Houssein should have little difficulty in raising £350,000 over security valued at (based on your figures) £1.1m.

88.

Mr Amin replied the following day to “float a potential solution which could save my clients are [sic] more money,without any specific instructions from my client”.

89.

This exchange, to my mind, highlights the deep flaws in the Claimants’ position.

90.

First, I do not regard it as a sensible reading of HCA’s 7 April letter to treat the proposals as severable. I recognise that they are referred to in the plural, but acceptance of only part or parts of paragraph 4 without accepting the whole would not achieve the aim of “resolving matters without recourse to legal proceedings”.

91.

Secondly, and very obviously, if one were to accept the Claimant’s current case that its proposals were severable, such that the offer of payment of £1.85 million was capable of separate acceptance and should have been accepted, that is what LCL did. While this offer, presumably meaning only 4.1 and 4.2, is referred to in the section of the Defence to Counterclaim headed “Particulars of Wrongful Refusals”, it is wholly unclear how a refusal can be constructed from the language Ms Swainson used in response to those sub-points. On the contrary, in my view the words used by Ms Swainson really could not have been much clearer in evidencing agreement; they are not qualified in any way. It is not at all apparent what more LCL could be expected to do, and the Defence to Counterclaim, in simply characterising LCL’s conduct as “wrongful”, does not assist in identifying anything. It does not even reference Ms Swainson’s email. If HCA’s offer is properly characterised as severable, on the question of payment of the £1.85 million the parties had reached agreement and, on the Claimants’ case, payment of the £1.85 million should have been made shortly thereafter. That did not happen.

92.

On the contrary, while, on the Claimants’ current case, Ms Swainson’s reply should have been the end of the discussion, for Mr Amin it was merely the beginning. In his view, at least, everything remained in play. I recognise that Mr Amin made clear, in making his further proposal, that he did not have instructions. He did have instructions regarding the 7 April proposal, however, and so had it been intended that the proposal to pay £1.85 million was severable he would presumably have understood that once agreement was reached his instructions were that that aspect of the dispute was resolved.

93.

Again to be clear, Mr Amin’s follow-up proposal was subsequent to, and so does not inform the proper characterisation of, the HCA letter of 7 April and the Gunnercooke response the next day. It does inform subsequent discussions, however, because it is obvious from this exchange that the payment proposals were not to be understood as freestanding or in some other way capable of independent acceptance. That could change (indeed did change) with the use of clear language, but the package proposals were precisely that – packages to be taken or left as a whole.

94.

Thirdly, while it is the case that Ms Swainson made an apparent counter-proposal in respect of 4.3, in fact it was more by way of clarification than alteration. It simply was not clear from HCA’s letter what was to happen in respect of any further breaches of the Facility Letter. In any event, what she said did not in any way relate to the payment of the £1.85 million.

95.

Fourthly, the only thing that plainly was rejected, albeit by way of counter-offer, was the proposal to pay £350,000 in 4.4. Nothing was immediately being offered in respect of that payment – it was to happen “as soon as possible” – and the whole payment was conditional on Mrs Houssein receiving advice from a bilingual advisor (rather, for example, than from an advisor whose advice was then translated, which would presumably have been easier to secure). Nothing was said about what would happen if Mrs Houssein was unhappy with that advice, although as Mr Wheeler submitted if the condition was to have any meaning it logically followed that this would entitle her to refuse to make the payment. The whole proposal was contingent and uncertain. What LCL sought to do was to inject some certainty around the payment and its timing, requiring payment on or before the Repayment Date which was still four months away. It was an entirely reasonable approach in my view. While it could be characterised as a refusal, in no way was it a wrongful refusal.

96.

Finally, to the extent it is needed this exchange supports my understanding of what was meant by something being “canvassed” in earlier exchanges; as I have noted, to canvas and to float seem in this context to mean the same thing: ideas for further discussion. Moreover, Mr Amin, at the very least, was familiar with the practice I described above where solicitors will raise ideas in discussions even without express instructions in an attempt to understand the other side’s position.

97.

The next communication on which reliance was placed is an email sent on 11 May 2021 from Mr Amin to Ms Swainson and expressed to be without prejudice save as to costs. The offer was:

1.

£2 million (being the net amount available on the 5 buy to let mortgages) in full and final settlement of all claims that my client has against your client and vice versa;

2.

My client will instruct her conveyancing solicitors to proceed with the remortgaging of the 3 buy to let properties and as soon as the remortgages are completed, your client will provide the appropriate discharge in respect of those 3 buy to let properties against a payment of £1.2 million;

3.

The remaining £800,000 will be paid on or before 9 August 2021;

4.

Tomorrow’s application to be dismissed with no order as to costs;

5.

Your client will undertake to discharge the Receivers from their office immediately. If the Receivers are intended to continue in their office until £1.2 million is paid, then we will need an undertaking from the Receivers specifically not to deal with any of the Properties in any way whatsoever pending receipt of the £1.2 million, which for the avoidance of doubt will include not contacting the tenants of the buy to let properties, not attempting to sell or taking any steps to market the properties … and withdrawing from sale the Properties which are the subject of the auction on 13 May 2021.

98.

Again, multiple difficulties arise with construing this as a severable offer of payment or part payment. It is, at most, a settlement offer. That is evidenced both by it being without prejudice save as to costs and by the reference to “full and final settlement of all claims”. The Claimants’ objective was to wrap up the dispute as a whole. That dispute included a claim in debt but nothing in this letter suggests that LCL could have accepted just that element of the proposal. Had, for example, Ms Swainson replied accepting points 2 and 3, rejecting the balance and providing account details it is inconceivable that any onlooker would think agreement had been reached and payment ought to follow.

99.

Given the rather vague conditions attached to this proposal it is not clear whether it was a true contractual offer, capable of immediate acceptance, or an invitation to treat, which would involve some further step. Nor does that matter, however, because LCL rejected the proposal and made a counter-proposal; that, in turn, was rejected by the Claimants and the application before Falk J, as she then was, proceeded the following day.

100.

On 12 May 2021 Mr Amin wrote to Ms Swainson noting: “For the avoidance of doubt, my client’s offer to settle is now no longer open for acceptance.” An offer to settle proceedings is not the same thing as a tender of payment said, in those proceedings, to be due from the borrower to the lender. This simply reflects all of the correspondence to date – the Claimants were seeking not simply to repay the Loan but also to get rid of the claims and proceedings that the Loan had spawned. The offers were offers made in the course of settlement negotiations; they were not a tender, or anything resembling a tender. The case the Claimants now advance is wholly at odds with what they thought at the time. More to the point, it is wholly at odds with what anyone, reading their proposals objectively, would have concluded the Claimants were offering.

101.

Also on 12 May 2021 HCA wrote to Gunnercooke stating:

We are mindful of the comments made by Mrs Justice Falk today, and what we say below is entirely without prejudice to our clients’ claims in respect of which all rights are reserved.

Please note that our client’s mortgage offers in respect of the 3 buy to let properties will expire at the end of May 2021. There is no reason why your client should refuse to accept £1.2 million and release the 3 buy to let properties so that at least part of the money due to LCL can be discharged and CEK’s interest liability under the Facility Letter can be reduced. My [sic] clients have been offering payment of the £1.2 million in open correspondence since early March.

102.

The last sentence mischaracterised what had gone before. What had been proposed was a package deal, including but not limited to a payment of £1.2 million. That much is obvious from Mr Amin’s reference, earlier the same day, to the “offer to settle” no longer being open for acceptance. This letter was critically different – it simply proposed repayment of amounts due with a corresponding discharge of security. Indeed, as Mr Amin made clear in an email to Ms Swainson on 28 May 2001: “I would just like to remind you that the £1.2 million is being paid by Mrs Houssein, on the basis previously stated, namely against the appropriate discharges (as required by her conveyancing solicitors) and entirely without prejudice to the litigation between our respective clients.” Payment was made to LCL shortly after that email was sent.

103.

Exchanges continued over summer 2021, including some offers of settlement. There followed a mediation on, it appears, 27 September 2021. By this stage, of course, the remaining balance of the Loan was in default, the Repayment Date having been 7 August 2021. Following the mediation, on 7 October 2021 Mr Charlesworth, of Gunnercooke, wrote to the mediator to decline an offer of £700,000 payable “now”, which presumably meant at some point in the near future rather than on that date, and £100,000 a year later. Mr Charlesworth proposed three alternatives, with the total increasing as more time to pay was given.

104.

In response, on 14 October 2021 Mr Amin wrote to the mediator, rejecting LCL’s offers and repeating the Claimant’s earlier offer in the following terms: “My clients will pay £700,000 within 28 days of acceptance of the offer, a further £100,000 in 12 months [sic] time (secured against 71 Hamilton Rd), in full and final settlement.” The Claimants rely on this as an offer of repayment.

105.

The analysis here follows the pattern of earlier offers. For the reasons I have given it is plainly not a tender. Nor is it an offer of payment. Simply the context suggests that. Not only is this without prejudice, it is made via a mediator. One does not typically need to engage the services of a mediator to repay a debt; the value that they add is in resolving disputes, not facilitating payments of undisputed sums. Moreover, by its terms the offer seeks to roll up a number of matters – “in full and final settlement” – and not just repayment. It is not an offer to repay an undisputed sum; it is an attempt to settle a dispute arising out of a debt.

106.

On 1 November 2021 Ms Golant, of HCA, wrote to Mr Charlesworth essentially repeating the offer of 14 October 2021. In the Defence to Counterclaim this is described as an open offer, but I note that five minutes after sending it Ms Golant sent a follow-up email stating that her email was “without prejudice save as to costs and still under the ambit of mediation privilege”. For the reasons I have given above, it does not seem to me to change anything even if the offer had been expressed to be open: it would still be an offer to settle a disputed claim. The analysis is therefore the same as for the 14 October offer.

107.

Finally, following my First Judgment there were offers to pay £630,000 in return for a release of the charges over 205 and 207 Downhills Way, with the issue of interest to be addressed following the then pending appeal. The charge over 71 Hamilton Road would remain.

108.

Again, it seems to me that these were offers of settlement, strictly partial settlement, aimed at narrowing the issues in dispute. They were not an offer of payment under the terms of the Facility Letter. That permitted LCL to hold onto all of its security until it was paid the capital and interest in full. As a consequence of the Court of Appeal Judgment and this judgment LCL in fact has had throughout had a right to charge the Default Rate, such that what was offered was not full redemption. In return for paying just the capital the Claimants were seeking something – release of the security – to which they were not entitled. In my view that was an offer to renegotiate the terms of the Facility Letter, not an offer of payment under them.

109.

Accordingly, nothing that the Claimants did stopped interest running on the Loan. The Court of Appeal Judgment found, however, that interest at the Standard Rate stopped on the Repayment Date. Thereafter, the only interest that could run under the terms of the Facility Letter is therefore at the Default Rate, which in turn gives rise to the penalty issue.