P v Q -
In describing the debts as ‘very soft’ I have considered the case of P v Q [2022] EWFC B9 at paragraph 19 viii in which HHJ Hess stated, in paragraph 19:I have looked at a number of authorities which deal wholly or partly with this point and I include the following in that category: M v B [1998] 1 FLR 53; W v W [2012] EWHC 2469; Hamilton v Hamilton [2013] EWCA Civ 13; B v B [2012] 2 FLR 22; Baines v Hedger [2008] EWHC 1587; and NR v AB [2016] EWHC 277. I have also looked at an article by Alexander Chandler (as it happens the pFDR tribunal in this case) on the subject: Family Loans an intervener claims – taking the bank of mum and dad to court [2015] Fam Law 1505. I derive the following summary of principles from this reading:-(a) Once a judge has decided that a contractually binding obligation by a party to the marriage towards a third party exists, the court may properly wish to go on to consider whether the obligation is in the category of a hard obligation or loan, in which case it should appear on the judges’ computation table, or it is in the category of a soft obligation or loan, in which case the judge may decide as an exercise of discretion to leave it out of the computation table. (b) There is not in the authorities any hard or fast test as to when an obligation or loan will fall into one category or another, and the cases reveal a wide variety of circumstances which cause a particular obligation or loan to fall on one side or other of the line. (c) A common feature of these cases is that the analysis targets whether or not it is likely in reality that the obligation will be enforced. (d) Features which have fallen for consideration to take the case on one side of the line or another include the following and I make it clear that this is not intended to be an exhaustive list. (e) Factors which on their own or in combination point the judge towards the conclusion that an obligation is in the category of a hard obligation include (1) the fact that it is an obligation to a finance company; (2) that the terms of the obligation have the feel of a normal commercial arrangement; (3) that the obligation arises out of a written agreement; (4) that there is a written demand for payment, a threat of litigation or actual litigation or actual or consequent intervention in the financial remedies proceedings; (5) that there has not been a delay in enforcing the obligation; and (6) that the amount of money is such that it would be less likely for a creditor to be likely to waive the obligation either wholly or partly. (f) Factors which may on their own or in combination point the judge towards the conclusion that an obligation is in the category of soft include: (1) it is an obligation to a friend or family member with whom the debtor remains on good terms and who is unlikely to want the debtor to suffer hardship; (2) the obligation arose informally and the terms of the obligation do not have the feel of a normal commercial arrangement; (3) there has been no written demand for payment despite the due date having passed; (4) there has been a delay in enforcing the obligation; or (5) the amount of money is such that it would be more likely for the creditor to be likely to waive the obligation either wholly or partly, albeit that the amount of money involved is not necessarily decisive, and there are examples in the authorities of large amounts of money being treated as being soft obligations. (g) It may be that there are some factors in a particular case which fall on one side of the line and other factors which fall on the other side of the line, and it is for the judge to determine, looking at all of these factors, and maybe other matters, what the appropriate determinations to make in a particular case in the promotion of a fair outcome.’109.
- HHJ Stephen Wildblood QC:
- Introduction -
- Overview -
- Open offers -
- The outcome of this judgment –
- The parties -
- The trust and business claims
- The marital background
- The procedural history
- Remarriage – Wife -
- Remarriage – Husband
- The wife’s resources and needs -
- The Wife’s oral evidence
- The husband’s disclosed position –
- The husband’s evidence about his other debts
- Husband’s oral evidence -
- P v Q -
- The overall position of the husband –
- Evidence of alternative housing -
- B – oral evidence
- Morland Rd
- no evidence
- Statements from witnesses called by the wife –
- Law relating to trust claims –
- Bluebird Restaurant Ltd
- never
- very
