Forster: reliance on legal advice
Forster: reliance on legal advice
The other passage from Forster relied on by the Applicants concerned reliance on legal advice. In Forster, the Authority had decided, inter alia, that:
certain investments which had been marketed and sold by a number of investment companies of which Mr Forster was a director, were each a “collective investment scheme” (“CIS”), and
Mr Forster was “knowingly concerned” in breaches by the investment companies and/or by his co-director, of the regulations relating to the marketing and promotion of CIS investments.
Mr Forster’s case relied in part on the fact that the investment companies had obtained legal advice in the form of two Opinions from “experienced independent Counsel” who had confirmed that the CIS provisions did not apply, and it was submitted that Mr Forster was therefore not “knowingly concerned” because he had relied on those Opinions.
Gleeson J first considered the legal point. He noted that in Burton v Bevan, Scandex, and Avacade, it had been held thatan incorrect view of the law was irrelevant, because the director was assumed to know the law. At [246] he summarised the submissions made on Mr Forster’s behalf:
“where a lay client seeks and obtains legal advice from an appropriately qualified professional, he cannot reasonably be expected to form a view on the correctness or otherwise of the legal advice which he has received”.
Gleeson J then said:
“This is, in principle, a good argument. To describe a person as ‘knowingly concerned’ in a contravention of the law in circumstances where he has obtained independent advice that the activity concerned is not in contravention of the law is to strain the meaning of the word ‘knowingly’ beyond any reasonable compass.”
However, he went on to say at [249] that a lay client “both can and must interrogate the factual assumptions on which the advice which he has received is based”. He then considered the factual assumptions provided for the first Opinion, and said “Mr Forster must have known that this was not the way in which the scheme actually operated”. He continued at [253]:
“If he had read the McGee opinion dispassionately, it should immediately have been clear to him that what it was in fact saying was that, in different
circumstances, and against a different factual matrix, the contracts which had been put in place would not necessarily constitute participation in a scheme. This opinion is entirely correct. However, it does not help Mr Forster in this case.”
The second Opinion was, said Gleeson J, also based on incorrect facts. He summarised the position at [257]:
“The key points here seem to me to be twofold. First, it is absurd to suggest that a lay client should not rely on the advice which he has received as regards the legal analysis which it contains. Provided that he has sought the advice of an appropriate professional, he cannot be criticised for relying on the advice which he has received. Second, however, is that all legal advice is necessarily based on assumed facts. Legal advice cannot take any other form than that “if the facts are X, the conclusion is Y”. The lay client cannot be expected to hold any view as to the legal content of such an opinion. However, what he can be expected to do is to consider the statement of facts on which the opinion he has received is based. If that statement of facts does not correspond to the truth as he knows it to be, he cannot rely for any purpose on the advice which he has received because he knows it to be based on false premises. Where he knows (or should know) that the factual matrix on which the advice given to him is based is incorrect, it is simply not open to him to say that he relied upon that advice.”
- Heading
- Introduction
- The jurisdiction of the Tribunal
- The burden and standard of proof
- The PRA and capital requirements
- The Bank’s lending
- CRE loans
- CLIP loans
- PBTL loans
- COREP reporting
- The Authority
- Listing Rule 1.3.3R
- The MAR
- The evidence
- Approach to the evidence
- Mr Arden
- Mr Donaldson
- Ms Gillan
- Ms Roberts
- Mr Somers and Mr Dransfield
- Mr Sutherland
- Mr Lane
- Mr Brierley
- Individuals who were not called as witnesses
- Findings of fact
- The early years
- Linklaters
- Key personnel during the period from March 2018
- Relationship with the PRA and the Authority
- 2016 and 2017
- The COREP audit and the CRE loans
- Mr Arden, the Board and the committees
- KPMG appointed
- April to June 2018
- July 2018
- The 2018 capital raise and half year results
- August 2018: PBTL and CLIP
- Communicating with the PRA
- KPMG decision trees
- PBTL classification
- Annual Review of Commercial Lending
- September Audit Committee
- September NEDs meeting
- September Board meeting
- Engagement of Deloitte
- Internal work in support
- Communications with the PRA
- Meeting with Linklaters
- Disclosure Committee meeting
- Mr Somers’ email
- Meetings with Mr Hill and Mr Bernau
- The October CRPAC meeting
- RWA Report
- Business and Commercial Lending
- The October Audit Committee meeting
- The Q3 Update
- Accounting, reporting and control report
- The October ROC meeting
- Chief Risk Officer’s Report
- The RWA Report
- Business and Commercial Lending Review
- The October Board meeting
- Linklaters Governance Update
- Audit Committee Update
- The Q3 Update
- 2019 Budget Paper
- Whether the RWA issue was discussed
- Chief Risk Officer’s Report
- Response to PSM Letter
- The Q3 Update and analyst calls
- Deloitte’s reports
- Discussions with Linklaters
- Discussions with the PRA and the January announcement
- Subsequently
- The PRA
- The Authority
- Mr Donaldson’s and Mr Arden’s careers
- The common ground
- The Parties’ cases
- The Authority’s case
- The Applicants’ case
- ISSUE ONE: WHETHER THE BANK BREACHED LR 1.3.3R
- The PRA and the COREP Returns
- Findings of fact
- The Applicants’ position
- The Tribunal’s view
- The PRA and confidentiality
- Findings of fact
- The Applicants’ position
- The Authority’s position
- The Tribunal’s view
- Mr Lane’s advice
- Findings of fact not in dispute
- Who was at the meeting
- How long was the meeting
- Linklaters’ practice when giving advice
- Knowledge of the impending Q3 Update
- What was said by Mr Arden at the meeting
- Confidential matter?
- The Tribunal’s finding
- The purpose of the meeting
- Reasonable to rely?
- Overall conclusion on legal advice
- No breach if uncertain and under investigation?
- Mr Jaffey’s submissions
- Mr Stanley’s submissions
- The Tribunal’s view
- No material breach if unknown
- The knowledge issue
- Key findings already made
- The Authority’s overall position on the knowledge issue
- The Applicants’ overall position on the knowledge issue
- Rules on classification
- Data issues
- Nature of the data issues
- Extent of the data issues
- Effect on materiality
- SME supporting factor
- Residential property
- Conclusion on data issues
- The mitigants overall
- The AIRB application
- Pillar 2A Offset
- Submissions
- Findings of fact
- Conclusion on Pillar 2A offset
- Phasing in
- PRA discretion
- Taking all the above into account
- Overall conclusion on the Knowledge Issue
- The PBTL Loans
- Findings of fact
- Submissions and the Tribunal’s view
- Whether the alternatives were unreasonable
- The Applicants’ position
- The Authority’s submissions
- The Tribunal’s view
- Reliance on the board and the Committees
- Findings of fact
- September
- October Audit Committee
- October ROC meeting
- October Board meeting
- The position of the parties
- The Tribunal’s view
- The Audit Committee
- The Board
- Reliance on Ms James
- Findings of fact
- Submissions
- Discussion
- Overall conclusion on Issue one
- The legal principles
- The statutory provisions
- Burton v Bevan
- Scandex
- Capital Alternatives
- Avacade
- Ferreira
- Submissions on Ferreira
- The words of the provision
- The ratio of Ferreira
- The corporate veil
- Forster: meaning of “knowingly concerned”
- Forster: reliance on legal advice
- The Applicants’ submissions
- The Authority’s submissions
- The Tribunal’s view
- The principles summarised and the issues remaining
- Mr Arden
- Mr Donaldson
- The position of the parties
- The Tribunal’s view
- ISSUE THREE: PENALTIES
- The Tribunal’s approach
- The DEPP
- The Authority’s position
- The Applicants’ position
- The Tribunal’s view
- The penalty framework
- Applying the Steps
- Step 2(1)-(3): Earnings
- The Tribunal’s view
- Step 2(4)-(7): Seriousness
- Step 3: Mitigation
- DEPP
- Submissions and discussion
- Co-operation
- Remediation
- Compliance with the PRA’s requirements
- Communications with the Authority
- No negative factors
- Other consequences
- Difference between the Applicants?
- Conclusions
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